What's next? Wake up people!!!!!!!
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Obama makes clear support for Ground Zero mosque"
This post was edited on 8/14 11:02 AM by SSME
Obama makes clear support for Ground Zero mosque"
OT: "Obama makes clear support for Ground Zero mosque" (link)
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What should he do? Tell them no! Bush, Regan, Clinton and all would have made the same decision. Damn - it's America and those are the laws.
It's ironic, when he doesnt get involved, it's not enough intervention, when he get's involved it's too much. Seems like a race thing to me.
This post was edited on 8/14 12:01 PM by Nupe1987
It's ironic, when he doesnt get involved, it's not enough intervention, when he get's involved it's too much. Seems like a race thing to me.
This post was edited on 8/14 12:01 PM by Nupe1987
Not a fan of the guy at all, but I don't see this as an issue. It's not like those choice few terrorists represent all, most, or even a large portion of the Muslim world, although believe that if you will (and some of you will).
But let's ban it anyway. It's not like this country was built on the freedom...of.....religion.
Wait....um...hm.....hell, it was.
But let's ban it anyway. It's not like this country was built on the freedom...of.....religion.
Wait....um...hm.....hell, it was.
Churches are banned from building all the time by zoning laws etc.
Freedom of religion doesn't say you can build a church where you wish, when you wish, without any regulation at all. This is NOT a first amendment issue.
Freedom of religion doesn't say you can build a church where you wish, when you wish, without any regulation at all. This is NOT a first amendment issue.
Oh good grief. Why do you liberals scream racism every time someone disagrees with the idiot? People couldn't possibly dislike him just because he's driving the country into the ground, right?
So you can prove to me where they completely ignored a zoning law or laws to build it? Doubtful. I just really, honestly don't think its a big deal. I'm not an Obama supporter by ANY means and can't wait 'til he's out in the next election. But let them build this mosque/community center/whatever it is.
And I'm with LE on this, I don't see this or any of the posts being a race thing at all.
And I'm with LE on this, I don't see this or any of the posts being a race thing at all.
A group of nuns wanted to build a church near Auschwitz, to memorialize the people exterminated there. Jewish groups objected. The Pope decided that although the nuns had a perfect right to build there, that that was not a wise thing to do. This radical imam certainly isn't very wise in that regard, and if you've read any of his writings (esp. about 9/11), you'd know he's not the right person to head this effort.
Just because we have 'freedom of religion' in this country does not mean that we CAN or, more importantly, SHOULD do anything in the name of 'religion'.
Local governments all across the nation have hundreds and thousands of zoning laws and hundreds of zoning meetings every week to change those laws to restrict what gets built where, even churches. CHurches have to follow the law the people institute, just like the rest of us.
Do you think there will ever be a 1st Baptist Church of Mecca, Saudi Arabia across the street from the Kaaba? Not Hardly!
Just because we have 'freedom of religion' in this country does not mean that we CAN or, more importantly, SHOULD do anything in the name of 'religion'.
Local governments all across the nation have hundreds and thousands of zoning laws and hundreds of zoning meetings every week to change those laws to restrict what gets built where, even churches. CHurches have to follow the law the people institute, just like the rest of us.
Do you think there will ever be a 1st Baptist Church of Mecca, Saudi Arabia across the street from the Kaaba? Not Hardly!
No, there won't be any 1st Baptist Church there, because those people do not have the freedoms we do.
Fine, local governments have that right, sure. But you know what, there are members of this board currently living in New York that I have spoken to that have said there is generally little to no uproar, or even murmurs, about this in the City or the surrounding areas, from liberals OR from conservatives.
But obviously, if its not the God or even particular sect of Christianity that we all choose to believe in, then we should simply restrict the hell out of where everyone else builds their churches.
Fine, local governments have that right, sure. But you know what, there are members of this board currently living in New York that I have spoken to that have said there is generally little to no uproar, or even murmurs, about this in the City or the surrounding areas, from liberals OR from conservatives.
But obviously, if its not the God or even particular sect of Christianity that we all choose to believe in, then we should simply restrict the hell out of where everyone else builds their churches.
I'm just saying....the mayor of New York is on record of having no problems with it.
So...what's the problem????
Isn't this more of a "New York" issue? If Bloomberg was on TV objecting to this and damning everyone involved to hell...I might care. He doesn't care though. The New York people aren't marching on the streets in large numbers against this. No zoning violations, no illegal funding, no nothing...
...Except religion.
Is the religious aspect the problem? Or is it something else?
So...what's the problem????
Isn't this more of a "New York" issue? If Bloomberg was on TV objecting to this and damning everyone involved to hell...I might care. He doesn't care though. The New York people aren't marching on the streets in large numbers against this. No zoning violations, no illegal funding, no nothing...
...Except religion.
Is the religious aspect the problem? Or is it something else?
Re: How about a nice Shinto temple at Pearl Harbor?
I wouldn't like it just like I wouldn't like a temple or mosque or whatever built right next to where I live...but I also wouldn't cry that the end of America is bestowed upon us and moan about our president I guess not trying to block it or whatever.
How can I get offended at non-Christian places of worship when the westboro baptist church is still going around picketing the funerals of the dead???
They're taking advantage of the same freedoms that our country was built on. I don't have to like them, but, I also don't have to even remotely care about them. They're no threat just like that mosque is no threat. It's planned to do a lot of good for New York from what I read, so shoot...go ahead!
I wouldn't like it just like I wouldn't like a temple or mosque or whatever built right next to where I live...but I also wouldn't cry that the end of America is bestowed upon us and moan about our president I guess not trying to block it or whatever.
How can I get offended at non-Christian places of worship when the westboro baptist church is still going around picketing the funerals of the dead???
They're taking advantage of the same freedoms that our country was built on. I don't have to like them, but, I also don't have to even remotely care about them. They're no threat just like that mosque is no threat. It's planned to do a lot of good for New York from what I read, so shoot...go ahead!
None of you are truly arguing this because of zoning laws or anything else. As hotrock said, you are opposed to it because of the religion. If it was a Baptist church or a Catholic church or probably even a Jewish place of worship, you wouldn't have even posted this article. So yes, it's about the religion, not anything else.
And if the people of the area where it is being built don't care and aren't opposed to it, then we shouldn't either. We get pissed when people from other states, and hell, even other parts of OUR state get involved with the things we do in South Mississippi. But if it's somewhere else, we can feel free to stick our noses in it and oppose the hell out of it.
And if the people of the area where it is being built don't care and aren't opposed to it, then we shouldn't either. We get pissed when people from other states, and hell, even other parts of OUR state get involved with the things we do in South Mississippi. But if it's somewhere else, we can feel free to stick our noses in it and oppose the hell out of it.
Well said. Its not like its actually on ground zero, its 2 blocks away. And there is already a mosque that sits 4 blocks away from ground zero that has been there for over 40 years IIRC. So get over it and worry about something that actually matters.
Mayor Bloomberg and President Obama just love the idea of building a Mosque as a monument to the Muslims victory on 9/11. That is exactly what this is about. Anyone that thinks different is naive.
Also, ssme, your thread title is misleading. Saying he made "clear support" for the mosque is stretching what he said a little bit. he said he supports the right for them to build the mosque, he never actually stated whether he thought it was a good idea or not.
This post was edited on 8/14 3:09 PM by LowEagle11
This post was edited on 8/14 3:09 PM by LowEagle11
I was just about to say the same thing LowEagle. He stated that he defends their right to build it, not that he supports it. And trust me, it's hard to admit that as someone who generally dislikes President Obama.
It's the same stance I take on vulgarity on TV and Radio. I don't necessarily agree with everything that airs, but I defend their rights to put it on the air.
It's the same stance I take on vulgarity on TV and Radio. I don't necessarily agree with everything that airs, but I defend their rights to put it on the air.
Re: OT: "Obama makes clear support for Ground Zero mosque" (link)
Peter King (rep. from NY) stated it best:
"The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from ground zero. Unfortunately, the president caved into political correctness."
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Peter King (rep. from NY) stated it best:
"The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from ground zero. Unfortunately, the president caved into political correctness."
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That's a pretty funny quote. The definition of political correctness is :
"a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense." Asking them not to do it is as much a case of being PC as trying not to offend Muslims.
King is half right though. The first sentence is exactly what Obama should have done. Other than that, it's a city government zoning issue that he should have stayed out of.
That's a pretty funny quote. The definition of political correctness is :
"a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense." Asking them not to do it is as much a case of being PC as trying not to offend Muslims.
King is half right though. The first sentence is exactly what Obama should have done. Other than that, it's a city government zoning issue that he should have stayed out of.
Obama is anti-usa. His actions/policies are not a surprise
His wife voiced the Obama's real feelings after he was elected - he hated America until he became President. Basicly he hates YOU and me. The joke is on those who voted for him. How Black American can support Dumocrats is also amazing to me. Dumocrat policies actually keep Black Americans from reaching the same status as waves of people who came here from Europe were able to do. Entitlement programs is the wrong solution. Taking from those who work to support those who do not hurts both. Your success is your responsibility and not anyone else including a state or federal government.
George Mason
His wife voiced the Obama's real feelings after he was elected - he hated America until he became President. Basicly he hates YOU and me. The joke is on those who voted for him. How Black American can support Dumocrats is also amazing to me. Dumocrat policies actually keep Black Americans from reaching the same status as waves of people who came here from Europe were able to do. Entitlement programs is the wrong solution. Taking from those who work to support those who do not hurts both. Your success is your responsibility and not anyone else including a state or federal government.
George Mason
Re: Obama is anti-usa. His actions/policies are not a surprise
Blacks are only 12% of the US. Latinos have more representation than blacks.
I'm sorry, but you could get every eligible black man and woman who could have voted (and I doubt all of them would have voted for Obama, but that's a different topic) and still not get a president elected.
In fact...how did race even get involved into a religious thread? Unless that was the real motivation behind the thread???
Blacks are only 12% of the US. Latinos have more representation than blacks.
I'm sorry, but you could get every eligible black man and woman who could have voted (and I doubt all of them would have voted for Obama, but that's a different topic) and still not get a president elected.
In fact...how did race even get involved into a religious thread? Unless that was the real motivation behind the thread???
Re: "because those people do not have the freedoms we do".
Agree with this, but if the building meets zoning requirments and is not be funded with tax payer dollars, then I am fine with it.
Agree with this, but if the building meets zoning requirments and is not be funded with tax payer dollars, then I am fine with it.
Re: "because those people do not have the freedoms we do".
The zoning has been appoved, its privately funded and on private property
Re: "because those people do not have the freedoms we do".
It is a local decision ultimately, acting like them saying NO is somehow robbing them of a freedom or a constitutional right is moronic.
Also, there was an existing church there, a Greek Orthodox Christian church...they have NOT been given the right to REBUILD...and this new Mosque will be called the ground zero mosque, and it is being built to celebrate the Islamic victory over the great Satan, just like the Dome of the rock was built on/adjacent to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. From this Mosque, like the one built in DC a few years ago by "moderates", terrorism will be promoted, planned, and carried out IF they get an Imam anywhere near the radical they had in DC...this 'moderate' as the NY TIMES called him, is now living in Yemen and is the De facto leader of a major terrorist cell.
In fact....Obama is actively trying to kill him with drones.
It is a local decision ultimately, acting like them saying NO is somehow robbing them of a freedom or a constitutional right is moronic.
Also, there was an existing church there, a Greek Orthodox Christian church...they have NOT been given the right to REBUILD...and this new Mosque will be called the ground zero mosque, and it is being built to celebrate the Islamic victory over the great Satan, just like the Dome of the rock was built on/adjacent to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. From this Mosque, like the one built in DC a few years ago by "moderates", terrorism will be promoted, planned, and carried out IF they get an Imam anywhere near the radical they had in DC...this 'moderate' as the NY TIMES called him, is now living in Yemen and is the De facto leader of a major terrorist cell.
In fact....Obama is actively trying to kill him with drones.
Re: "because those people do not have the freedoms we do".
You do realize that the US State Department is paying for the Imam that will be over this mosque to fly to the middle east where he will hold fund raisers to build it right?
US Govt sending ground zero mosque imam....
You do realize that the US State Department is paying for the Imam that will be over this mosque to fly to the middle east where he will hold fund raisers to build it right?
US Govt sending ground zero mosque imam....
Re: "because those people do not have the freedoms we do".
You do realize the article you linked says this right?
You do realize the article you linked says this right?
Okay, can we get one thing straight here?
This community center (not a mosque, itself, but does include one) will be located roughly 600 feet from "Ground Zero" (which is, in itself, a massive area) in an abandoned building that served as a Burlington Coat Factory warehouse on the morning of 9/11. The owner of the building has been trying to get rid of the damn thing for years.
Even if it was near Ground Zero, what right would the government have to say no? This is an absolutely perfect example of how neo-conservatives don't even know what "conservative" means. You want the government not to intrude on anything but you want them to say "No" with no basis whatsoever to a private organization purchasing a privately owned building. But that's another story.
If you feel as though America is being slapped in the face by the establishment of a Muslim YMCA in a building formerly owned by an upscale women's clothing company located two football fields away from where some people completely unrelated to the group attempting to build said community center committed a terrorist attack, well, that's pathetic.
This post was edited on 8/16 10:37 PM by eaglenjxn
This community center (not a mosque, itself, but does include one) will be located roughly 600 feet from "Ground Zero" (which is, in itself, a massive area) in an abandoned building that served as a Burlington Coat Factory warehouse on the morning of 9/11. The owner of the building has been trying to get rid of the damn thing for years.
Even if it was near Ground Zero, what right would the government have to say no? This is an absolutely perfect example of how neo-conservatives don't even know what "conservative" means. You want the government not to intrude on anything but you want them to say "No" with no basis whatsoever to a private organization purchasing a privately owned building. But that's another story.
If you feel as though America is being slapped in the face by the establishment of a Muslim YMCA in a building formerly owned by an upscale women's clothing company located two football fields away from where some people completely unrelated to the group attempting to build said community center committed a terrorist attack, well, that's pathetic.
This post was edited on 8/16 10:37 PM by eaglenjxn
Re: "because those people do not have the freedoms we do".
Don't you realize eaglenjxn, this mosque (community center) might decrease the value of the strip clubs, porn stores, and bars located in the same area!
This post was edited on 8/16 10:50 PM by LowEagle11
Don't you realize eaglenjxn, this mosque (community center) might decrease the value of the strip clubs, porn stores, and bars located in the same area!
This post was edited on 8/16 10:50 PM by LowEagle11
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