OT - Gun Question

[laureleagleson]

Poor, poor, pitiful Catfish. The martyr. The saintly, abused by slanderous attack. He'll spin you a yarn six pages deep about his score prediction for next Tuesday's game, all the while fighting back against his many assailants through his phlegm-y, NyQuil induced haze.

It's funny how you seem to resort to the same argument every time you come across someone who disagrees with you. They've been taking shots at you ever since you joined this board and they're hypocrites. The majority of the people "attacking" you last night were giving constructive criticism, or joking with you, but you're so much of a baby that you honestly can't handle any kind of criticism without becoming hyper emotional and lashing out. It's seriously like your own little internet hissy fit. That's why I call you kid. It's because when people aren't throwing themselves at your feet, praising your bombastic writing and your arrogant presented opinions, you lose control and freak right the hell out. There's absolutely no middle ground with you.

If you can't handle criticism without your blood pressure skyrocketing, maybe the internet is not for you.

As for this conversation about politics on the main board, your the one who turned your own thread about guns into a bitching session. All you had to do was stop talking about politics. Now it's resorted into something that will most likely either be locked or moved to the Hub. I'm not exactly gonna cry over that, haha.



This post was edited on 1/26 8:14 AM by laureleagleson

 

[ctmoore]

I have an H&R .35 Whelen I'll sell, only been shot about 5 rounds to sight it in and has been in the safe ever since. I have the box and all paperwork. I love the .35 Whelen, its a much better round than 45-70

 

[fearthebird]

Hold on CT, they're just talking. Let them work it out.

 

[WastinawaynNitChampsburg]

 

[Larryseagle]

Originally posted by neeagle:
If you want a gun that you can use all season long, 35 whelen is the way to go. It is very versatile. You can shoot up close and also still pick off a deer at 2-300 yards.

Ditto. I have a thompson Whelen. Best primative weapon.

 

[Catfish]

Larry, what's the price range on the Thompson?

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Originally posted by Catfish:
Had to share a conversation I had with one of my liberal friends tonight, who was espousing the virtues of gun control in a "civilized society".

I told her I find it interesting that her party fights to outlaw guns, 99.9 percent of which will never be used to harm another human being, while at the same time fighting to keep open abortion clinics, 100 percent of which kill people every day.

Someone will have to explain to me how that works. I'm apparently too "uncivilized" to understand.

You've been fooled. Liberals don't care about human life. They prove that every day with their open, unabashed support of infanticide. Their feigned attempt at trying to take away guns to protect people is laughable. They want to take away guns simply because they despise gun owners. They are just exploiting tragedies like Connecticut for political gain. They are truly despicable human beings.

 

[APOLLOEagle]

I'm expecting anyday now to see a news report where the NRA Membership and their various lap dogs have urged their members to go out and buy Howitzers, Sherman Tanks, hand grenade launchers and mortars as their 2nd Amendment Right.

There is absolutely no logical basis for allowing those weapons nor the Bushmasters and similar weapons to be purchased and used in the US. They can't be used LEGALLY for hunting and are designed expressly for KILLING-.

Thank God we got a President with nads to try to get some common sense from our citizens.

And before anyone jumps to any conclusions I have been a CCW permitted holder registered in two different states and I'm not the least bit scared that the US Government is trying to take away guns or deny our citizens their 2nd Amendment rights.

He's got an uphill battle in trying to convince those who act out of emotions rather than logic and with this bunch of kids up in Congress to pass anything of substance.






This post was edited on 1/26 8:39 PM by APOLLOEagle

 

[Legendary Eagle]

What a load of crap. A .223 bushmaster is a glorified rabbit gun. One could take out more people in close range with a 12 gauge than they could with a bushmaster. But people aren't scared of a shotgun. Put a wood stock and a longer barrel on an AR, and nobody would be screaming bloody murder about taking them away from people. But make them look like a military weapon, and the anti-gun wusses are terrified of them. Most of the kids killed at Conn were killed with a Glock. But all of the gun ignorant crowd just wants to cry over the AR-15s because they look scary.

And I've never seen any laws against hunting with an AR. I know plenty of people that hunt with them. I'm considering getting one for an upcoming coyote hunt...if I can find one. They've become pretty scarce since our nut job-in-chief went on his anti-gun rampage, and his cohorts started using tragic events to promote their political agenda.
This post was edited on 1/26 8:59 PM by Legendary Eagle

 

[Catfish]

Apollo, do you know of any firearms that aren't designed for killing? Certainly, that's not always their intended use, but they certainly all have that capability at the core of their design.

And that's my problem with the president's efforts. There isn't a single functional difference between an AR15, which is on the ban list, and a .308 deer rifle, which doesn't appear on any ban list. Moreover, the actual size of the AR15 .223 cartridge, which is among the smaller commercially available rounds, doesn't cause nearly as much tissue damage as virtually any other round, whether its a common 9mm, .38 special, .357 or .44, much less a 12 gauge shotgun slug, none of which are in any proposed bans.

To me, the issue of whether a gun is optimized for hunting is irrelevant. The Constitution of The United States doesn't just protect the right to bear arms that are designed for hunting. And A semi automatic, legal AR 15 .223 is most certainly a legal weapon for hunting in most all states.

I realize some liberals think all guns should be banned. They, at least, have a logical position, though I disagree with it. But trying to ban a cosmetically-scary .223 varmint rifle while saying nothing about a .45 magnum or a short-barreled .45-70 rifle is nothing more than meaningless government regulation that will have no measurable impact on gun violence. And there's absolutely nothing "logical" about that.
This post was edited on 1/26 9:00 PM by Catfish

 

[WastinawaynNitChampsburg]

Originally posted by Legendary Eagle:
What a load of crap. A .223 bushmaster is a glorified rabbit gun. One could take out more people in close range with a 12 gauge than they could with a bushmaster. But people aren't scared of a shotgun. Put a wood stock and a longer barrel on an AR, and nobody would be screaming bloody murder about taking them away from people. But make them look like a military weapon, and the anti-gun wusses are terrified of them. Most of the kids killed at Conn were killed with a Glock. But all of the gun ignorant crowd just wants to cry over the AR-15s because they look scary. And I've never seen any laws against hunting with an AR. I know plenty of people that hunt with them. I'm considering getting one for an upcoming coyote hunt...if I can find one. They've become pretty scarce since our nut job-in-chief went on his anti-gun rampage, and his cohorts started using tragic events to promote their political agenda.

This post was edited on 1/26 8:59 PM by Legendary Eagle

Someone i work with lets his kids hunt, supervised of course with an ar. with the adjustable stock and lack of recoil, its a pretty good deer gun for a kid.

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Correct, they aren't a lot different than a .243 that a lot of kids start out with. Maybe just a little less accurate. People who are ignorant about guns don't realize that, though, because they are more concerned of the appearance of the weapon.

 

[Catfish]

Absolutely. I know many fathers that start their kids out hunting with ARs. The light weight and adjustable stock makes it much more suitable for a young hunter than a full size rifle.

I don't personally own an AR, because I just don't have much interest in tactical-looking guns, but I almost want to buy one just for the principle of it now. I guarantee you, any gun in my gun closet other than my Ruger 10-22, would do a lot more damage than a .223 Bushmaster, and none of them are on any ban lists. I'm sure it's just a matter of time, though.

 

[PensacolaEagle]

Originally posted by APOLLOEagle:
I'm expecting anyday now to see a news report where the NRA Membership and their various lap dogs have urged their members to go out and buy Howitzers, Sherman Tanks, hand grenade launchers and mortars as their 2nd Amendment Right.

There is absolutely no logical basis for allowing those weapons nor the Bushmasters and similar weapons to be purchased and used in the US. They can't be used LEGALLY for hunting and are designed expressly for KILLING-.

Thank God we got a President with nads to try to get some common sense from our citizens.

And before anyone jumps to any conclusions I have been a CCW permitted holder registered in two different states and I'm not the least bit scared that the US Government is trying to take away guns or deny our citizens their 2nd Amendment rights.

He's got an uphill battle in trying to convince those who act out of emotions rather than logic and with this bunch of kids up in Congress to pass anything of substance.






This post was edited on 1/26 8:39 PM by APOLLOEagle

Couldn't agree more Apollo. Words of wisdom and reason......therefore, you will be ridiculed by paranoid people with no logic to stand on. Thanks for what you bring to the board.....Black/ Gold

 

[APOLLOEagle]

Catfish...I omitted saying KILLING PEOPLE.

I don't have any problems with people undertheir 2nd amendmant rights owning Rifles, hand guns and many that are classed as semi-auto's such as Glock's etc,

When our founding fathers write the Constitution I seriously doubt they had any conception about the technological discoveries that have come down the pike such as computers, atomic weapons, chemical weapons and definitely not space exploration. Their intention was that Americans be able to participate in a Militia. Big difference between their original intent and the Bovine Scatology the NRA is promulgating in my opinion.

As a youngster I was an NRA Member. Have hunted many squirrels, quail, dove etc. .......BUT......I didn't need an AK47 or Bushmaster to bring home a meal. Those are designed to kill peoeple and destroy them.

Think about the issue from a logical perspective. All the President is trying to do in my opinion is apply some common sense to an issue that's getting totally out of hand. I sincerely believe the majority of the American people agree with him but getting any meaningful legislation out of the DO NOTHING CONGRESS will be very difficult if not impossible. (Just like getting common sense out of the NRA Managemen)t.

 

[WastinawaynNitChampsburg]

Personally im partial to a family gun that goes back and forth between me and my older brother. Its the first gun a kid in our family learns to shoot. An old Stevens savage over and under 410/22

 

[Catfish]

It's a good, respectful conversation Pensacola. No ridicule here - just honest debate. I challenge anyone to watch the linked video an explain to me the "logic" of the proposed gun ban. I think this video is very revealing.

Where is the LOGIC here?

 

[APOLLOEagle]

LegendaryEagle....

You like a lot of the Republican CONSERVATIVES don't seem to realize it but the Liberals who are the majority of voting Americans just elected for 4 more years a Commander-In-Chief rather than a Nut-In-Chief......

You need to come to that realization that you are in the MINORITY and your folks lost the election.

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Originally posted by APOLLOEagle:
Catfish...I omitted saying KILLING PEOPLE.

I don't have any problems with people undertheir 2nd amendmant rights owning Rifles, hand guns and many that are classed as semi-auto's such as Glock's etc,

When our founding fathers write the Constitution I seriously doubt they had any conception about the technological discoveries that have come down the pike such as computers, atomic weapons, chemical weapons and definitely not space exploration. Their intention was that Americans be able to participate in a Militia. Big difference between their original intent and the Bovine Scatology the NRA is promulgating in my opinion.

As a youngster I was an NRA Member. Have hunted many squirrels, quail, dove etc. .......BUT......I didn't need an AK47 or Bushmaster to bring home a meal. Those are designed to kill peoeple and destroy them.

Think about the issue from a logical perspective. All the President is trying to do in my opinion is apply some common sense to an issue that's getting totally out of hand. I sincerely believe the majority of the American people agree with him but getting any meaningful legislation out of the DO NOTHING CONGRESS will be very difficult if not impossible. (Just like getting common sense out of the NRA Managemen)t.

Name one thing Obama has proposed that would have saved a life at the Conn school. Just one.

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Originally posted by APOLLOEagle:
LegendaryEagle....

You like a lot of the Republican CONSERVATIVES don't seem to realize it but the Liberals who are the majority of voting Americans just elected for 4 more years a Commander-In-Chief rather than a Nut-In-Chief......

You need to come to that realization that you are in the MINORITY and your folks lost the election.

You are sorely mistaken. There are numerous polls showing that the vast majority of Americans are right to center right. Liberals are in the minority. Does that mean than conservatives should win every election? Obviously not. We live in an age where people are obsessed with celebrities. Barack Hussein Obama is the biggest celebrity that politics has ever seen. The media drools over him. He is every liberal media outlet's (which is about 95% of the mainstream media) wet dream. Since 2008, Obama has basically gotten 24/7 campaigning for him by the media. That's nearly impossible to overcome, as shown in November. Obama is statistically the worst president in US history, yet he still beat a challenger that was infinitely more qualified by him. All because uninformed Americans allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the media. And judging from the Obama supporters that I've talked to in person, and seen post here, that wasn't difficult for them to do. Logic and critical thinking are foreign words to pretty much every Obama supporter I've come across.

And yes, he is the nut job in chief. He's destroyed our economy, he's put us into debt that is drowning us, he's on his way to demolishing our healthcare system, and now he's going after our constitutional right. All while his ignorant supporters smile like sheep. Sad to watch My country die before my eyes.

 

[APOLLOEagle]

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This post was edited on 1/26 9:40 PM by APOLLOEagle

 

[APOLLOEagle]

What is really a load of crap is the fact that our Commander-In-Chief was jsut recently elected by a substantial majority of American Voters and the "Nut-In-Chief" condescendidng reference you used was totally uncalled for.

You need to come to the realization the Liberals as you brand them won the election, not those who think as you do so I suggest you wake up to the fact we have him as I\our Commander-In-chief for 4 more years rather you like it or not.

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Substantial? Please. I wouldn't call a 2-3% margin of victory substantial. Obama is a POS scumbag. he makes Jimmy Carter look like a great leader. He has divided our country more than I've ever seen thanks to his constant vitriol. He has made it his mission to destroy the Republican Party instead of trying to work with them to better the lives of all of us. You make repeated references to a "do nothing congress". What do you expect when the nations leader is intentionally driving them apart? Bill Clinton was a great leader. I don't support his political views, but he got stuff done, even with a heavily republican congress because he was willing to compromise and work with them. Obama is hateful and mean spirited,and has made it clear that he is not willing to work with republicans. And people like you have enabled him instead of getting rid of him. Let me guess...you bought into Obama and the medias BS about the evil right's "war on seniors".

 

[APOLLOEagle]

Get your head out of the sand my fellow Eagle.....I believe MitchMcConnel said from day one of the Obama Admiinistration that his (and the Republican Party's) goal was to deny Obama a second term. It was the Republicans who sabatoged every thing Obama tried to do including when he regurgitated earlier Repuiblican suggestions, they would not support him.

Naturally Bill Clinton was a good President although I didn't approve of his personal conduct at times.

When Bill Clinton left office, the Budget was balanced and even showed a Surplus. The National Debt was a little over 5 trillion rtan up by all the presidents from Clinton Back. Comes along Bush and he gets us into 2 Wars that we could not win and run up our national Debt to almost 11 trillion dollars and left the country in economic chaos the day Obama went in.

Obama had to spend money to get things turned around and rright now things are beginning to look like they are improving/ Your Republican Party is spending a lot of hot smelly gas defending no tax increase for millionaires and here you are blaming the Commander-In-Chief....Better go back a smell the coffee and check your facts .

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Multiple sources have shown that Clinton's surplus was smoke and mirrors. He left us in a recession. That recession was thwarted brilliantly by Bush's tax cuts, even though he also had to deal with the huge economic impact of 9/11. And if I hear another liberal cry about the cost of the two wars, I'm gonna puke. Those two wars cost a grand total of a trillion dollars over ten years. Obama wastes more than that on bogus "green" companies and playoffs to cronies before breakfast. Obama complaining about the cost of the wars is as silly as Bill Gates complaining about the price of a latte from Starbucks. And Bush didn't get us into any wars. The terrorists that attacked us and the dictators violating sanctions did that.

And let's not forget about the fact that Clinton and Franks housing bubble is what caused the economic collapse we experienced as Obama was coming into office. Your assertion that things are turning around is laughable. This economy is crap. Obama just raised taxes 2% on the middle class. All of our paychecks went down. Our healthcare costs are skyrocketing. Most working Americans paychecks have gotten smaller every year this POS has been in office, and he doesn't even care. All he's worried about is demonizing republicans and glorifying himself to satisfy his megalomaniac ego. He I'd truly the worst president of all time, and the facts prove it. Record unemployment. Record poverty. Record people on food stamps. Record foreclosures. Record bankruptcies. You Obama jock sniffers just don't have a leg to stand on to defend him.

As for you trying to blame republicans for the failure of congress, I can only laugh. Of course they wanted Obama out. He's disastrous for America. He wants to implement socialist ideals that have collapsed countless countries. However, they've been the only ones willing to compromise on anything. Obama is the one causing problems. He's the one refusing to compromise. He's the one demonizing republicans. He's the one trying to be a dictator. Blame republicans all you like, but the facts prove you 100% wrong.

 

[APOLLOEagle]

Legendary Eagle.....

Obviously Facts bother you as you are throwing them around boastfully when they are wrong. You spend too much time listening to" Faux News", the voice of the Republican Party along with their sidekick "Limmy."

Your assertion about W only spending a trillion dollars on two Wars is laughable. It's down right funny and truly absurd. Why don't you spend some time on the US Treasury Department Website and investigate what the real National debt was on the day "W" took office and the day "W" left office. Be advised you will find it to be about 5 or more times the Trillion dollars you are throwing around. It certainly wasn't all spent on the Wars but the "W" Tax Break didn't come cheap when the wealthy amongst us were not paying their Fair Share.

As for the assertion that Obama is the worst President of all times really puts egg on your face. Years from now he will be viewed by objective means and all the "Nut Cases" blamjng him for everything currently will be silenced and shown wrong. I certainly don't agree with everything he has done and he made a big mistake eliminating the US Manned Space Program by simply letting Russia take over First Place. At least that program helped many Americans with employment and the vast majority of it was all money that stayed in America. Your Republican Candidate in the last election stored much of his in foreign entities so as to limit his taxation.

I won't worrying with responding to any more of your rants since you are extremely loose with your facts and often times just totally wrong. If you want to keep playing loose with them, I'll be glad to accomodate you via e-mail but I certainly don't believe this is the place for an OT discussion that was initially started by an ADMIN .on Guns......

 

[WastinawaynNitChampsburg]

Originally posted by APOLLOEagle:
Legendary Eagle.....

Obviously Facts bother you as you are throwing them around boastfully when they are wrong. You spend too much time listening to" Faux News", the voice of the Republican Party along with their sidekick "Limmy."

Your assertion about W only spending a trillion dollars on two Wars is laughable. It's down right funny and truly absurd. Why don't you spend some time on the US Treasury Department Website and investigate what the real National debt was on the day "W" took office and the day "W" left office. Be advised you will find it to be about 5 or more times the Trillion dollars you are throwing around. It certainly wasn't all spent on the Wars but the "W" Tax Break didn't come cheap when the wealthy amongst us were not paying their Fair Share.

As for the assertion that Obama is the worst President of all times really puts egg on your face. Years from now he will be viewed by objective means and all the "Nut Cases" blamjng him for everything currently will be silenced and shown wrong. I certainly don't agree with everything he has done and he made a big mistake eliminating the US Manned Space Program by simply letting Russia take over First Place. At least that program helped many Americans with employment and the vast majority of it was all money that stayed in America. Your Republican Candidate in the last election stored much of his in foreign entities so as to limit his taxation.

I won't worrying with responding to any more of your rants since you are extremely loose with your facts and often times just totally wrong. If you want to keep playing loose with them, I'll be glad to accomodate you via e-mail but I certainly don't believe this is the place for an OT discussion that was initially started by an ADMIN .on Guns......

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Apollo, sorry if you thought you could sling out a bunch of left wing lies and fade off into the sunset, but that's not gonna happen. If you don't want to debate the issue, then keep the lies and propaganda off the board. And I'll pass on your email debate offer. Last time I fell for that one, you threatened to get me fired from my job, then went and told all your buddies that I was the one that threatened you.

As for my facts, I challenge you to prove any of them wrong. I specifically said The WARS cost a trillion. There's no doubt that Bush spent money like a liberal. That was his biggest problem. The bailouts were a travesty, but that's an example of a president working with both sides of the isle. He went against his party on the bailouts to appease his Democratic congressional majority and get things done. I do find it ironic that a tax and spend liberal like you would dare to have a problem with Bush's spending...which has been dwarfed by King Obama's.

You can't just tell me that I'm "loose with the truth" without even attempting to prove me wrong. Of course, that's the same, lame liberal debate tactic employed by losers like Chris Matthews, Rachel Madcow, etc....just call someone a liar and scream about Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And here's another fact for you... Obama also has the highest average gas price of any pres in history, by a long shot. He inherited $1.85 gas, and has averaged over $3 during his presidency. That is one of the most oppressive things he's done, as it has skyrocketed the cost of everything like groceries, goods, services, utilities, etc....all while he is stealing money from our paychecks and making our wages go DOWN. Yes, Obama will truly go down as the worst pres in history.

 

[J-Eagle]

Thank you Legendary for keeping the facts out there and the truth about this poser we have in the WH. Apollo is a living example of how easy a charismatic liar like BHO can dupe intelligent people. Just another example of the liberal goobs like the racist PensacolaEagle and the odd other two or three here with their head in their arse.

Megadittos on everything you posted. Kept me from losing it and jumping in. Well stated on all points!

 

[APOLLOEagle]

All your assertions and accusations are nothing short of BOVINE SCATOLOGY....




"George Carlin - "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Gonna take a lot more than that to prove me wrong. But there's one thing all of you liberals have in common...you run for the hills when facts are brought into the debate. You're great at making emotional pleas and tugging on people's heart strings, but your arguments never have a basis in reality. Feel good, schmeel good doesn't create jobs and pay the bills.
This post was edited on 1/27 5:31 PM by Legendary Eagle

 

[WastinawaynNitChampsburg]

ROLL TIDE!!!!!

 

[APOLLOEagle]

Now that is funny.....

I constantly see big "A's", Hounds Tooth Hats and elephants on cars but I have never seen that one.

As I have mentioned on here before....My son-in-law Satsuma Eagle and his friend contend that most of these Rednecks over there with all the "A's" never went to Alabama or any college and if given a six-pack, a road map and a week to make it to Tuscaloosa from Mobile, they could not.














This post was edited on 1/27 7:04 PM by APOLLOEagle

 

[williamearl]

How Much Do Are you Asking Fot It?

 

[williamearl]

NADS!!!!! He could really give a crap about gun control. He actually took a pretty laid back stance on it his first 4 years. It has nothing to do with how big his so called nads are its all about popular opinion or what he thinks is popular opinion is. The best thing he and Biden can do is spend more time trying to come up with a plan to get guns out of the hands of criminals not citizens. Now thats an uphill battle.

 

[laureleagleson]

Originally posted by APOLLOEagle:
All your assertions and accusations are nothing short of BOVINE SCATOLOGY....




"George Carlin - "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

lol! Perfectly said, Apollo.

 

[jseagle]

i have a 35 wheelan . its a nice gun. i usually use a 44 mag. its a lot lighter with less recoil and kills everything up to 125 yards

 

[Legendary Eagle]

Originally posted by APOLLOEagle:
All your assertions and accusations are nothing short of BOVINE SCATOLOGY....




"George Carlin - "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

You know you've won the argument when your opponent can't come up with facts, and resorts to personal attacks. I accept your concession, Apollo.