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You got everything right except one thing, you used liberals and logic in the same sentence. Liberals are about feelings, not logic. As long as they care it doesn't have to make sense or work.Originally posted by Eagleyed:
Increase taxes on tobacco- to lower tobacco use.
Increase taxes on carbon- to lower carbon emmisions
Increase taxes on sugar- to lower sugar use
Increase taxes on wealth- Wont effect the economy...........
Edited for brevity.Originally posted by Eagleyed:
Increase taxes,
Increase taxes,
Increase taxes,
and...
Increase taxes.
Perfect followup to the previous post Pensacola. Raise taxes... Raise taxes...Raise taxes... and you're suggestion is to raise taxes. Solutions for liberals always involve raising taxes and increasing the size of government.Originally posted by PensacolaEagle:
This proud Liberal Democrat would recommend taxes on guns and ammo. Could use the revenue to pay for the armed police that the NRA recommends for every school. ...Black/ Gold
That right there sums it all up!!Originally posted by Legendary Eagle:
In a liberal's perfect world, everyone would pay 100% of their income in taxes. In return, they'd get to live in government subsidized housing, get free government food, and ride the government bus for free. Sounds nice until one realizes that we aren't going to have any doctors, lawyers, or engineers because they get the same thing as fast food employees.
You know, you see those ads on TV showing how far the US has fallen in the world when it comes to math and science. We must rank dead last in common sense, by a W I D E margin.Originally posted by PensacolaEagle:
This proud Liberal Democrat would recommend taxes on guns and ammo. Could use the revenue to pay for the armed police that the NRA recommends for every school. ...Black/ Gold
You are so right about the increased revenue that the Dems just passed through. 75% went to NY/NJ for the storm and Pelosi is already saying they are going back on their promise to cut spending if they got the tax increases because they didn't get enough of a tax hike on the successful. What a surprise. Who would have thought that the Dems would say that if the Republicans would give them the tax hikes now and they would promise to cut spending later that they would go back on their word. That has never happened before has it? Don't these dufus Republicans ever learn? they'll probably fall for it again in a couple of months. Meanwhile all that happens is government grows along with the deficit, and the politicians have more power and money to spend.Originally posted by Standing in EE:
And that funding would be no different than any other funding they come up with. Five years from the day it was passed, if that long, they would be looking for more taxes to sustain it because they spent the tax funds else where. Hell, just look at the last tax bill. They have already sent 75% of the revenue it will produce in the first year to NY/NJ for the super storm and they haven't even got it yet. Will we ever learn????
There should never be tax increases without a equal amount of spending cuts, period.
I am a Liberal Democrat, but greatly support cutting fraud in social programs. I want to help the needy, not those who only take advantage of and play the system. Get the deadbeats into job training programs, or they end up in our prisons. Would rather spend the money to train than to incarcerate....Black/GoldOriginally posted by aTUfan:
Instead of cutting funds that to programs that that payers have paid
for and earned, ie. SS.
Cut funds for programs for DEADBEATS.
The problem is how we get people to get into these job training programs? A quick search on the internet shows several in the area. Do we force them into it? Pay them to go? I think a good idea is to focus on getting more high school graduates to focus on short term programs that start paying fast especially if they have lower grades. Such as air conditioning repair, piloting (pays very good and they have a shortage) or at least business degrees, engineering degrees and such. I think a lot of the unemployed need psychological help first before job training.Originally posted by PensacolaEagle:
I am a Liberal Democrat, but greatly support cutting fraud in social programs. I want to help the needy, not those who only take advantage of and play the system. Get the deadbeats into job training programs, or they end up in our prisons. Would rather spend the money to train than to incarcerate....Black/GoldOriginally posted by aTUfan:
Instead of cutting funds that to programs that that payers have paid
for and earned, ie. SS.
Cut funds for programs for DEADBEATS.
Those abusers of the system make up a substantial block of Dem voters. Don't expect Dems to do anything about it.Originally posted by PensacolaEagle:
I am a Liberal Democrat, but greatly support cutting fraud in social programs. I want to help the needy, not those who only take advantage of and play the system. Get the deadbeats into job training programs, or they end up in our prisons. Would rather spend the money to train than to incarcerate....Black/GoldOriginally posted by aTUfan:
Instead of cutting funds that to programs that that payers have paid
for and earned, ie. SS.
Cut funds for programs for DEADBEATS.
You havn't paid for and earned it. Unless you make around the limit 110,000 a year, you will take out more than twice what you put into SS. You will take out many more times that in medicare. SS as its currently funded requires a population growing very vast to allow several people to fund one persons retirement. Once those funders retirements come, the hope is the population will have grown enough so that several people would now be funding those people's retirements.Originally posted by aTUfan:
Instead of cutting funds that to programs that that payers have paid
for and earned, ie. SS.
Cut funds for programs for DEADBEATS.
I said you probably haven't earned the SS that the government took out. I can't tell if you are talking about SS or just general taxes but, I'm going to stick to SS and medicare since that's what you feel that the government should never cut, and that's what we were talking about. The only way that you could earn the amount of SS and medicare that you put in is if you don't have major healthcare expenses while on medicare, and you made over 100k a year for the last 45 years as you said. That's the only way they could be taking nearly 10k a year for those 2 programs. (You would also have to be working for yourself over the last 45 years as the max the government takes for employed people is 6.5% up to around 100k if I remember correctly.)Originally posted by aTUfan:
So no, you probably haven't earned the money you will take out.
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The Gov TOOK about $10,000.00/year from my paycheck for 45 years.
Somebody owes me at least $450,000.00. The Gov is giving it back to me at about $25k/year If i die today, my heirs get nothing.
If I had been able to save that money In my own account, with simple growth it would be nearly $1,000,000.00. I could now buy an anuity that would pay me $80,000.00 If i die today, my heirs get whats left.
25K vs 80K? Please explain how the Gov plan is better than the "P" word.
Yet I could die tomorrow and my family would not get a single freaking penny I earned and put into SS for 36 years.Originally posted by Eagleyed:
You havn't paid for and earned it. Unless you make around the limit 110,000 a year, you will take out more than twice what you put into SS. You will take out many more times that in medicare. SS as its currently funded requires a population growing very vast to allow several people to fund one persons retirement. Once those funders retirements come, the hope is the population will have grown enough so that several people would now be funding those people's retirements.Originally posted by aTUfan:
Instead of cutting funds that to programs that that payers have paid
for and earned, ie. SS.
Cut funds for programs for DEADBEATS.
So no, you probably haven't earned the money you will take out.
I would like nothing more than for SS to be privatized. It's true that the government has been robbing the SS fund for a while now but that does not mean that you put in more money than you take out (for almost everyone). In fact for the average middle class American if SS was balanced money they put in=money they take out they would only be able to collect about 40% of the SS and 20% of the medicare that the average American currently takes. The reason the government has been able to take money out of SS without bankrupting it was because we had a much larger younger population compared to older which is now changing. If back in the 70's there were 10 young people working for every one retiree. The government could take 2 of those working people's money and there will still be 8 workers paying for 1 retiree. Currently the system is at 4 to 1. In just 10 years its expected to be at less than 3 to 1. The SS ponzi scheme only works if there are many more workers than retirees. Or one person pays for his own retirement. In that case SS tax would need to be more than twice what it currently is to support it. In a little over 3 years it needs to be three times its current rate.Yet I could die tomorrow and my family would not get a single freaking penny I earned and put into SS for 36 years.
If they would have left SS funds alone, like they said it would be done, there would be no problem today.
Again, you would have to be extremely naive to think Washington can take care of your money better than you can OR you are extremely stupid and Washington can take care of your money better than you.
They are but less people here means less unemployment. Less unemployment means less legal Americans on unemployment. It also means higher wages due to menial jobs not being able to pay dirt for wages to illegals which means less people on food stamps. Which raises the number of SS taxpayers and raises the amount they pay. When the unemployment is low we can start taking more immigrants.Originally posted by PensacolaEagle:
Immigration reform may help. More people on the tax roles, and don't give me the lazy Mexican thing. They are mostly very industrious and very family oriented.... Black/ Gold
Well to be fair they can't do number 1 and 2 without being a United States citizen.Originally posted by aTUfan:
They are mostly very industrious and very family oriented...
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How many laws have they broken to come here?
Will they buy their own Health Insurance?
Will the Buy car insurance?