In your honest opinion really, do you think there will ever be a
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The BCS will come up with their own "playoff" to quiet down congress. You can be assured they will include some ridiculous stipulation for a mid major to be included along the lines of "if a non BCS school finishes with a top 4 ranking in all of the polls and if their BCS ranking is in the top 2 and if they have defeated Texas, Ohio State, and Alabama in consecutive Thurday night games for 3 years in a row, they would qualify to be included in the national playoffs against the #1 seed on the road".
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
If that's the government ran health care that I'm suppose to be afraid of....then I'd hate to know what's the next thing to fear is!
But to answer the question, yes, it will happen. It won't be what we want though for awhile and it won't come anytime soon.
Probably will be just the top 4 teams
If that's the government ran health care that I'm suppose to be afraid of....then I'd hate to know what's the next thing to fear is!
But to answer the question, yes, it will happen. It won't be what we want though for awhile and it won't come anytime soon.
Probably will be just the top 4 teams
The NCAA does not have a playoff for D1 football, but the BCS does. The BCS has a 2 team playoff. When you think about it, how silly is that. Really, who is this BCS group. That's another story. There has never been a TRUE national champion in D1 football. Only a bunch of opinions.
Well IMHO, the mastermind of the whole idea was Roy Kramer, former 'corrupt' commissioner of the $EC. Whenever BYU won/shared the national title in the late 80's(?), it pushed Kramer to form a "coalition" to make sure teams like BYU could never finish on top again.
sure, I think it will happen
An ideal situation would be to have 7 BCS leagues and all get a spot in an 8 team playoff. One at large bid for ND or whatever $EC cries the loudest and play to completion. Of course that will never happen so here is how I think the playoff will go down
I think it will be controlled by the BCS, will be 10 team format, and will happen in the next 10-12 years
The championship game winners for the BCS leagues will get a guaranteed spot. Assuming there are 6 BCS leagues at that time, that leaves 4 "at large" bids for Notre Dame & whatever other bcs teams lost their league, but whine that they need another chance.
Rank all teams using the patented BCS formula. Give 6 first round byes, #10 plays #7 & #9 plays #8 in first round and then play a normal 8 team bracket to completion.
All problems solved. By 2020, any league not associated with the BCS will have died & gone to D2 so no "BCS busters" to mess up the bracket. The 4 at large bids should take care of Notre Dame & 3(some years 4) other teams that "feel worthy", even though they didn't win their league.
Any team that gets left out has only themselves to blame because winning the championship game would have guaranteed a spot.
If there are 7 BCS leagues in 2020, then 7 teams get in automatically and only 3 at large teams
The BCS will postpone a playoff as long as possible, but eventually we'll get one. First, they'll give us the "plus 1" and when that fails, they'll go to a "final four" and when that fails, they'll finally adopt a system that's somewhat fair and leaves no doubt as to the real champion. As stated earlier, I believe it'll take 10-12 years to get something everyone likes
An ideal situation would be to have 7 BCS leagues and all get a spot in an 8 team playoff. One at large bid for ND or whatever $EC cries the loudest and play to completion. Of course that will never happen so here is how I think the playoff will go down
I think it will be controlled by the BCS, will be 10 team format, and will happen in the next 10-12 years
The championship game winners for the BCS leagues will get a guaranteed spot. Assuming there are 6 BCS leagues at that time, that leaves 4 "at large" bids for Notre Dame & whatever other bcs teams lost their league, but whine that they need another chance.
Rank all teams using the patented BCS formula. Give 6 first round byes, #10 plays #7 & #9 plays #8 in first round and then play a normal 8 team bracket to completion.
All problems solved. By 2020, any league not associated with the BCS will have died & gone to D2 so no "BCS busters" to mess up the bracket. The 4 at large bids should take care of Notre Dame & 3(some years 4) other teams that "feel worthy", even though they didn't win their league.
Any team that gets left out has only themselves to blame because winning the championship game would have guaranteed a spot.
If there are 7 BCS leagues in 2020, then 7 teams get in automatically and only 3 at large teams
The BCS will postpone a playoff as long as possible, but eventually we'll get one. First, they'll give us the "plus 1" and when that fails, they'll go to a "final four" and when that fails, they'll finally adopt a system that's somewhat fair and leaves no doubt as to the real champion. As stated earlier, I believe it'll take 10-12 years to get something everyone likes
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
The next thing for us to fear is a bail out of the worker's unions pension plans. When that happens the government is officially in the labor business and we become a communist nation. Scary but possible. We are that close. The whole plan of the healthcare reform was to "bail out" the insurance companies at best, and at worst, put them out of business. Then uncle Sam can step in with single payer. We need to vote out every incumbant for the next 8 years.
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
Really don't care for the health plan but I'm willing to wait and see (like I have a choice now). But the Repub's need to get over it. You lost, move on and stop trying to bog everything down. Bout fed up the the Repub's as well. Ever since whats his name said extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks would result in people not trying to find a job, as if it was just another entitlement program.
I do like Obama's energy plan. Its a nice compromise, allows offshore drilling to some extent and brings back nuke power. Would like to see some huge tax breaks for the middle class for installing solar panels though. Still Repub's need to pass it, if not it will be the final straw that proves that are acting in thier own interest and not the interest of the nation.
Really don't care for the health plan but I'm willing to wait and see (like I have a choice now). But the Repub's need to get over it. You lost, move on and stop trying to bog everything down. Bout fed up the the Repub's as well. Ever since whats his name said extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks would result in people not trying to find a job, as if it was just another entitlement program.
I do like Obama's energy plan. Its a nice compromise, allows offshore drilling to some extent and brings back nuke power. Would like to see some huge tax breaks for the middle class for installing solar panels though. Still Repub's need to pass it, if not it will be the final straw that proves that are acting in thier own interest and not the interest of the nation.
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
"you lost, move on..." It's that same type of Pelosi (sp?) arrogance that has most people burning mad about...everything. The Dems (more power to them) are taking advantage of their positioning right now and are LEADING US DOWN THE PATH TO COMMUNISM. Whether you want to believe that or not is up to you. Being a doctor, I am pretty close to the situation and we are in dire straight...believe me. And yes, extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks WOULD result in many (not all, but many) not even trying to find a job. That's how socialism works. It takes all the incentive away from working hard to make more money to provide for one's family. Why work hard when all that happens is that you'll pay more of a percentile in taxes. That is why the utopian/"its just fair to equally share" society works on paper BUT NOT REAL LIFE. Human nature will take over. I see it every day at work. Example: pt comes in with no insurance (as per pt) and the Kiwanis club is paying for her exam. However, she actually had Medicaid (which she brought up after her exam was complete) and proceeded to ask where she could have a second pair of glasses covered by her Medicaid. So, again to rebut your statement about entitlement programs....that's just EXACTY what they are. If you want uncle sam to be in charge of your life, that fine. But I don't (as well as the vast majority of US citizens) need uncle sam's help. I just want to have him out of my way. Sorry for rambling, but you opened up a can of worms.
P.S. board moderator, this thread might soon be moved to the Hub (I strongly suggest)
"you lost, move on..." It's that same type of Pelosi (sp?) arrogance that has most people burning mad about...everything. The Dems (more power to them) are taking advantage of their positioning right now and are LEADING US DOWN THE PATH TO COMMUNISM. Whether you want to believe that or not is up to you. Being a doctor, I am pretty close to the situation and we are in dire straight...believe me. And yes, extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks WOULD result in many (not all, but many) not even trying to find a job. That's how socialism works. It takes all the incentive away from working hard to make more money to provide for one's family. Why work hard when all that happens is that you'll pay more of a percentile in taxes. That is why the utopian/"its just fair to equally share" society works on paper BUT NOT REAL LIFE. Human nature will take over. I see it every day at work. Example: pt comes in with no insurance (as per pt) and the Kiwanis club is paying for her exam. However, she actually had Medicaid (which she brought up after her exam was complete) and proceeded to ask where she could have a second pair of glasses covered by her Medicaid. So, again to rebut your statement about entitlement programs....that's just EXACTY what they are. If you want uncle sam to be in charge of your life, that fine. But I don't (as well as the vast majority of US citizens) need uncle sam's help. I just want to have him out of my way. Sorry for rambling, but you opened up a can of worms.
P.S. board moderator, this thread might soon be moved to the Hub (I strongly suggest)
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
Communism?
I have a Cuban friend....he scuffs at how people use those terms so liberally when talking about our government
If anything, we're moving closer to being completely bought by these banks and lobbyists. I'm sure the insurance companies bought out both parties to ensure single payee and public option weren't in the final bill (which really isn't "reform", nor the "change" people expected...!) But, this isn't the right forum to speak of such things...
Communism?
I have a Cuban friend....he scuffs at how people use those terms so liberally when talking about our government
If anything, we're moving closer to being completely bought by these banks and lobbyists. I'm sure the insurance companies bought out both parties to ensure single payee and public option weren't in the final bill (which really isn't "reform", nor the "change" people expected...!) But, this isn't the right forum to speak of such things...
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
So, Standing in EE, according to Obama's budget we now have a debt of $170,000 per family. Almost half don't pay any taxes, so that's over $300,000 for those of us that do. (that's in addition to the yearly expenditures) And you want to add more debt for solar panels that don't pay for themselves? We are going bankrupt right now and need to stop this madness. And these numbers are before the real truth comes out about whats in this bill. Just like the bank bill or the stimulus bill didn't do what they said it would this one won't either.
So, Standing in EE, according to Obama's budget we now have a debt of $170,000 per family. Almost half don't pay any taxes, so that's over $300,000 for those of us that do. (that's in addition to the yearly expenditures) And you want to add more debt for solar panels that don't pay for themselves? We are going bankrupt right now and need to stop this madness. And these numbers are before the real truth comes out about whats in this bill. Just like the bank bill or the stimulus bill didn't do what they said it would this one won't either.
this was not intended to be an Obama smashing health care left wing thread.....this is about a f o o t b a l l p l a y o f f !!!!!!!!Sounds like yall need to get over the HC plan or go to another board to post on that subject.....People come here to escape from thAT STUFF.......
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
Unemployment is not an entitlement program. You pay for it every day you go to work. No it not listed in some neat little column on your paycheck but its part of your pay and benefit package and you can bet employers look at it when they determined what dollar amount they can pay you. Just as they look at the amount of social security and insurance they will pay on you. Again, people who do not work, do not collect unemployment. Some people who do work are not able to, depending on how many employees your employer has and in that case whether he chooses to pay it.
Is there fraud? Of course there is, as there is in any program. I wonder, did you report that person? And yes move on. Its passed. Its law. Not a thing we can do about it until election time. I much rather deal with jobs, the ecomony and energy than I had bicker over something thats over.
This post was edited on 4/4 8:35 AM by Standing in EE
Unemployment is not an entitlement program. You pay for it every day you go to work. No it not listed in some neat little column on your paycheck but its part of your pay and benefit package and you can bet employers look at it when they determined what dollar amount they can pay you. Just as they look at the amount of social security and insurance they will pay on you. Again, people who do not work, do not collect unemployment. Some people who do work are not able to, depending on how many employees your employer has and in that case whether he chooses to pay it.
Is there fraud? Of course there is, as there is in any program. I wonder, did you report that person? And yes move on. Its passed. Its law. Not a thing we can do about it until election time. I much rather deal with jobs, the ecomony and energy than I had bicker over something thats over.
This post was edited on 4/4 8:35 AM by Standing in EE
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
One, you would have to provide a link to show where almost half of Americans don't pay taxes.
Two, how can you say they won't pay for themselves. They will create jobs both in manufacturing and installation, which we badly need right now. And they will reduce our dependence on foreign oil, which I am in total support of.
I'm not smart enough to know how well the stimulus bill worked or didn't work. I know we have seen the largest creation of jobs last month than we have seen in three years. On the other hand it paid to pave Hwy 49 thru Hattiesburg, something I pay taxes to have done every time I pump a gallon of gas in my truck.
One, you would have to provide a link to show where almost half of Americans don't pay taxes.
Two, how can you say they won't pay for themselves. They will create jobs both in manufacturing and installation, which we badly need right now. And they will reduce our dependence on foreign oil, which I am in total support of.
I'm not smart enough to know how well the stimulus bill worked or didn't work. I know we have seen the largest creation of jobs last month than we have seen in three years. On the other hand it paid to pave Hwy 49 thru Hattiesburg, something I pay taxes to have done every time I pump a gallon of gas in my truck.
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
OK, Standing in EE, how's this...
(CBS) On April 15, don't be surprised if the line at your local post office is a bit shorter than usual. That's because your neighbors may not be paying any income taxes this year.
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
I got that off the internet from CBS, hardly a right leaning source. I have been exposed to those facts many times. And according to the numbers it is increasing every year. I also have kept up with what energy sources work and pay for themselves. At USM I worked on solar energy as a project in my Environmental Science major, so I want this to work. But it is just not viable at this time except to heat water. I just watched a program that went over alternate energy sources and most are not there except in very limited instances. So until we have a breakthrugh it does not make sense to put us further in debt to use things like ethanol, which we subsidize, when it turns out ethanol uses more energy to make than it saves. It takes very little effort to be informed, and yes that means listening to both sides. The information is out there. As a matter of fact the last time I heard about the taxes was a senator on tv stating it on wednesday in an interview, and I have seen the fiqures many times.
OK, Standing in EE, how's this...
(CBS) On April 15, don't be surprised if the line at your local post office is a bit shorter than usual. That's because your neighbors may not be paying any income taxes this year.
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
I got that off the internet from CBS, hardly a right leaning source. I have been exposed to those facts many times. And according to the numbers it is increasing every year. I also have kept up with what energy sources work and pay for themselves. At USM I worked on solar energy as a project in my Environmental Science major, so I want this to work. But it is just not viable at this time except to heat water. I just watched a program that went over alternate energy sources and most are not there except in very limited instances. So until we have a breakthrugh it does not make sense to put us further in debt to use things like ethanol, which we subsidize, when it turns out ethanol uses more energy to make than it saves. It takes very little effort to be informed, and yes that means listening to both sides. The information is out there. As a matter of fact the last time I heard about the taxes was a senator on tv stating it on wednesday in an interview, and I have seen the fiqures many times.
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
And yet according to the IRS, 80% of federal tax returns shown at least some tax owed. (http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/index.html)
And how does CBS define goverment handouts? Do they also mistakenly include unemployment compensation? Regardless I never stated I was for goverment hand outs, only stated unemployment checks are earned, not given.
On solar power, OK tax credits for panels to heat water. Imagine if 50% of American homes heated thier water with solar energy. How much would we cut our need for foriegn oil? How many jobs would be created? It pays for itself as you have already stated.
And yet according to the IRS, 80% of federal tax returns shown at least some tax owed. (http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/index.html)
And how does CBS define goverment handouts? Do they also mistakenly include unemployment compensation? Regardless I never stated I was for goverment hand outs, only stated unemployment checks are earned, not given.
On solar power, OK tax credits for panels to heat water. Imagine if 50% of American homes heated thier water with solar energy. How much would we cut our need for foriegn oil? How many jobs would be created? It pays for itself as you have already stated.
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
I think we are in some agreement EE. You are correct on unemployment checks. However, I am not sure about the extensions and where that money comes from. If a person's unemployment has run out and the goverment keeps extending it and extending it. The money has to come from somewhere. As to tax credits, better to see anything keeping money in the private sector. And as to CBS I think they are referring to income tax and rebate type stuff that Obama has givin out since that is what they are talking about, but could not guarantee it.
Peace.
I think we are in some agreement EE. You are correct on unemployment checks. However, I am not sure about the extensions and where that money comes from. If a person's unemployment has run out and the goverment keeps extending it and extending it. The money has to come from somewhere. As to tax credits, better to see anything keeping money in the private sector. And as to CBS I think they are referring to income tax and rebate type stuff that Obama has givin out since that is what they are talking about, but could not guarantee it.
Peace.
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
Tampa, I don't agree with extending benefits to almost two years, but I do agree with a 52 week extension in times like these. Its true the money has to come from somewhere in case of extended benefits but a simple change in the rules would help. We pay a whooping $235 a week for umemployment. Pretty easy to find a job at Burger King and take home $150 a week, but in doing so you lose $85 sorely needed (earned) dollars. We should allow people to take these jobs and unemployment kick in the difference during the term of your benefit.
Also, we would have to be crazy to believe that every dollar collected for unemployment goes towards that benefit. If that were the case there would be a huge surplus. But thats not the fault of the American worker who has earned and paid for the benefit.
Tampa, I don't agree with extending benefits to almost two years, but I do agree with a 52 week extension in times like these. Its true the money has to come from somewhere in case of extended benefits but a simple change in the rules would help. We pay a whooping $235 a week for umemployment. Pretty easy to find a job at Burger King and take home $150 a week, but in doing so you lose $85 sorely needed (earned) dollars. We should allow people to take these jobs and unemployment kick in the difference during the term of your benefit.
Also, we would have to be crazy to believe that every dollar collected for unemployment goes towards that benefit. If that were the case there would be a huge surplus. But thats not the fault of the American worker who has earned and paid for the benefit.
Re: Well, we do have gov. run healthcare, so I guess its possible. nm
My only point Standing was that once the money we pay in is payed out in unemployment, the money has to come from the rest of us. The problem is that we are spending on so many things for so many people (many of them worthy) that we are debtor nation on the verge of bankruptcy. We are aproaching the point where we will not be able to sustain our interest payments on our debt if we keep this up. We cannot go the way of California. This is insanity. At one point we needed to just stop funding bad ideas, now we have to tighten the belt to the point where "good things" have to go to. If not we will suffer in ways that will be much worse and the consequenses will be dire indeed.
My only point Standing was that once the money we pay in is payed out in unemployment, the money has to come from the rest of us. The problem is that we are spending on so many things for so many people (many of them worthy) that we are debtor nation on the verge of bankruptcy. We are aproaching the point where we will not be able to sustain our interest payments on our debt if we keep this up. We cannot go the way of California. This is insanity. At one point we needed to just stop funding bad ideas, now we have to tighten the belt to the point where "good things" have to go to. If not we will suffer in ways that will be much worse and the consequenses will be dire indeed.
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